Comments on: ANWR to be toast in the 109th Congress http://deepblade.net/journal/2004/11/anwr-to-be-toast-in-109th-congress.html Cutting through the effects of the US empire Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:22:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Eric http://deepblade.net/journal/2004/11/anwr-to-be-toast-in-109th-congress.html/comment-page-1#comment-185 Eric Sun, 06 Nov 2005 04:36:47 +0000 http://deepblade.net/journal/2004/11/anwr-to-be-toast-in-109th-congress.html#comment-185 Thanks, John, for stopping by and reviewing this old post. Don't you think what I wrote here in the main post is about to come true -- that the Senate in the 109th Congress will pass ANWR drilling? I don't really disagree with any of the points you make. There is plenty of hypocrisy amongst the ``environmentalist'' community. I can't blame Alaskans for wanting full benefit from their own natural resources. I don't have a good answer for how to transform the oil economy so that we would never have to pump the arctic. Thanks, John, for stopping by and reviewing this old post. Don’t you think what I wrote here in the main post is about to come true — that the Senate in the 109th Congress will pass ANWR drilling? I don’t really disagree with any of the points you make. There is plenty of hypocrisy amongst the “environmentalist” community. I can’t blame Alaskans for wanting full benefit from their own natural resources. I don’t have a good answer for how to transform the oil economy so that we would never have to pump the arctic.

]]> By: john wortman http://deepblade.net/journal/2004/11/anwr-to-be-toast-in-109th-congress.html/comment-page-1#comment-184 john wortman Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:01:02 +0000 http://deepblade.net/journal/2004/11/anwr-to-be-toast-in-109th-congress.html#comment-184 as one of many Alaskans we want the economy and have bore witness to the previous pipeline thaty has never impacted the caribou herds, if any of you actualyy knew much about them you would realize they are far from the smartest of the herd animals, they go around, over, and under the exhisting pipeline as they would any new pipeline. My real case in point is if you wish to interfere with another states possible economy then you open yourselves up to recieving back lash and the possibility that we as Alaskans would love for us to be able to start re arranging many of your federal reserves, such as the smokies in TN. since they are horribly polluted by tourist and industry, we should just close it and watch the East TN economy crash. And with that what is the lying former VP Gore doing about that? Nothing. Or close a few in Cali, who needs to drive through a redwood anyways? And speaking of Cali save the caost line and prevent development of houses, they fall in the ocean anyways, and save millions in insurance that the rest of us are paying. As far as global warming get these other countries on board especilly the Eastern European and Asians countries they have more combined people and pollution than we come close to generating, heck take a look at Mexico, try being an asthmatic and breathe in Mexico City, our small percentage of the world population has made great strides, yes I do remember the 60's and 70's, its time the rest of the world ante up, take a look at the Eastern Russian pennisula and the chemical dumping grounds in Siberia as well as the off shore dumping, trust me as Alaskans we know which way the currents run and where our wind direction comes from as one of many Alaskans we want the economy and have bore witness to the previous pipeline thaty has never impacted the caribou herds, if any of you actualyy knew much about them you would realize they are far from the smartest of the herd animals, they go around, over, and under the exhisting pipeline as they would any new pipeline.
My real case in point is if you wish to interfere with another states possible economy then you open yourselves up to recieving back lash and the possibility that we as Alaskans would love for us to be able to start re arranging many of your federal reserves, such as the smokies in TN. since they are horribly polluted by tourist and industry, we should just close it and watch the East TN economy crash. And with that what is the lying former VP Gore doing about that? Nothing. Or close a few in Cali, who needs to drive through a redwood anyways? And speaking of Cali save the caost line and prevent development of houses, they fall in the ocean anyways, and save millions in insurance that the rest of us are paying. As far as global warming get these other countries on board especilly the Eastern European and Asians countries they have more combined people and pollution than we come close to generating, heck take a look at Mexico, try being an asthmatic and breathe in Mexico City, our small percentage of the world population has made great strides, yes I do remember the 60’s and 70’s, its time the rest of the world ante up, take a look at the Eastern Russian pennisula and the chemical dumping grounds in Siberia as well as the off shore dumping, trust me as Alaskans we know which way the currents run and where our wind direction comes from

]]> By: Eric http://deepblade.net/journal/2004/11/anwr-to-be-toast-in-109th-congress.html/comment-page-1#comment-183 Eric Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:08:19 +0000 http://deepblade.net/journal/2004/11/anwr-to-be-toast-in-109th-congress.html#comment-183 Jeff, thanks for the comment. I'm forced to agree with you about Gore's (and even Kerry's) deal with the devil on oil drilling. Yep, some of the environmentalists hated it in 2000 enough to leave Gore for Nader in Florida, where Gore refused to renounce off-shore drilling. Neither of these Democrats wanted to come off looking pro-oil, but the truth is that ANWR is the <i>only</i> place where they wanted to hold off. The whole environmentalist position with respect to energy is totally disposable, or at least will be in the near future.. Not many yet see just how dire the situation will be in a few years. There is a really big problem here. Cheney had a point in 2001. The 109th Congress will be a whole lot friendlier to Cheney solutions. For that reason, I want to see the Democrats at least try to work in that Apollo Alliance stuff into what does get passed. Bush may even be slightly sympathetic, if you believe the stuff from 2001 on the Whitehouse site -- as long as he gets his ANWR. Jeff, thanks for the comment. I’m forced to agree with you about Gore’s (and even Kerry’s) deal with the devil on oil drilling. Yep, some of the environmentalists hated it in 2000 enough to leave Gore for Nader in Florida, where Gore refused to renounce off-shore drilling. Neither of these Democrats wanted to come off looking pro-oil, but the truth is that ANWR is the only place where they wanted to hold off.

The whole environmentalist position with respect to energy is totally disposable, or at least will be in the near future.. Not many yet see just how dire the situation will be in a few years. There is a really big problem here. Cheney had a point in 2001. The 109th Congress will be a whole lot friendlier to Cheney solutions. For that reason, I want to see the Democrats at least try to work in that Apollo Alliance stuff into what does get passed. Bush may even be slightly sympathetic, if you believe the stuff from 2001 on the Whitehouse site — as long as he gets his ANWR.

]]> By: Jeff http://deepblade.net/journal/2004/11/anwr-to-be-toast-in-109th-congress.html/comment-page-1#comment-182 Jeff Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:16:28 +0000 http://deepblade.net/journal/2004/11/anwr-to-be-toast-in-109th-congress.html#comment-182 I know I am always the naysayer but the author's argument is pretty much what Al Gore did and the environmentalists bolted and voted for Ralph Nader. I agree with you, Eric, that the movement with ANWR is probably over for now. Frankly, given that the Alaskans are a decidedly Red State that voted for a sentate candidate who was by all accounts inferior but Republican I'm not sure I would put much effort into their needs right now anyway. For the Democrats to win we need to shore up the votes in Colorado, Montana, and Nevada. What strategy will help them the most? I know I am always the naysayer but the author’s argument is pretty much what Al Gore did and the environmentalists bolted and voted for Ralph Nader. I agree with you, Eric, that the movement with ANWR is probably over for now. Frankly, given that the Alaskans are a decidedly Red State that voted for a sentate candidate who was by all accounts inferior but Republican I’m not sure I would put much effort into their needs right now anyway. For the Democrats to win we need to shore up the votes in Colorado, Montana, and Nevada. What strategy will help them the most?

]]> By: Bob Whitson http://deepblade.net/journal/2004/11/anwr-to-be-toast-in-109th-congress.html/comment-page-1#comment-181 Bob Whitson Thu, 25 Nov 2004 05:48:33 +0000 http://deepblade.net/journal/2004/11/anwr-to-be-toast-in-109th-congress.html#comment-181 Eric You continue to do a great job. Keep up your good work. Bob www.howlingthemoon.org Eric
You continue to do a great job. Keep up your good work.
Bob

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]]> By: cs http://deepblade.net/journal/2004/11/anwr-to-be-toast-in-109th-congress.html/comment-page-1#comment-180 cs Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:18:29 +0000 http://deepblade.net/journal/2004/11/anwr-to-be-toast-in-109th-congress.html#comment-180 DB-- Don't have time right now to go read the entire piece at Wampum but I agree with the part posted here. In fact, I think this should be the Dem strategy on a number of fronts -- come up with comprehensive plans and supporting legislation; offer the bills as alternatives to the Republican proposals; then let the chips fall where they may. At least the democrats will be formulating their positions for the midterm elections, and hopefully thinking about how to present them effectively to voters in the process. DB– Don’t have time right now to go read the entire piece at Wampum but I agree with the part posted here. In fact, I think this should be the Dem strategy on a number of fronts — come up with comprehensive plans and supporting legislation; offer the bills as alternatives to the Republican proposals; then let the chips fall where they may. At least the democrats will be formulating their positions for the midterm elections, and hopefully thinking about how to present them effectively to voters in the process.

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